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Allan Horii

This is an issue which will become much more apparent here in BC in the near future. With the recent BCMA/provincial government agreement to fund EMRs, a decision will be forthcoming regarding which specific vendors will be approved for funding. Ultimately, many physicians may be faced with migrating their data to a new EMR system in order to qualify for compensation. Likewise, offices making the step towards electronic medical records for the first time will need to decide how to deal with their paper records.

Personally, my paper charts still occupy their usual place on the office wall since my switch to EMR 2 years ago. They are still periodically pulled to look at an old report or document. I have wondered, on occasion, about the cost and utility of paying a professional service to scan all those files onto CDs or DVDs.

Michelle Greiver

I have had all my old charts scanned into pdf, and we shredded the paper record. The scanned charts are kept on an external hard drive, accessible within my office network. We keep a copy on a DVD, and I took a second DVD home, locked in a filing cabinet. I hired a student for the summer. Cost was about $160 for the hard drive, $150 for the external DVD reader, about 120 hours of labour for the student (he did about 10 charts per hour, and taught my staff how to do it, so they did some too). These are not outrageous costs. The cost of retention, even for children's charts, is now nil. We will be scanning all transferred charts, inactive charts, deceased charts over time, but the most important part was scanning the active charts, which is now done. There are no chart pulls for me at my office, and I have access to the old charts at home or office.

For new incoming reports, we scan all consultant/DI/other reports to the EMR in .pdf format. This ensures that we have an exact copy of the original, which is then shredded. However, if I need to have quick access to the report within the EMR, then I will OCR the document (in my case, print to MS document imaging, then OCR). As most of us know, there is very little within most reports that needs to be OCR'd. The majority of reports are not sent to OCR; instead, I'll put in a quick note in Comments. For example: CXR normal. All Comments are visible in the EMR without loading the scanned file, which gives me a nice summary. I'll only OCR if there are comments of significant length that need to be copied and pasted. I wish consultant and DI reports were written using consistent database fields; for example: vitals, diagnosis, recommendation. This would then make it more possible to import into EMR (if we had common standards). To reiterate: the majority of reports contain only two to three things that need to be visible (Dx, recommendation). It is better and much faster to scan to pdf, and summarize the 2 bits of info in the comments section. Only use OCR if there is significant/complex information that needs to be visible.

Michelle

Adam Chen

We also scan only .pdf images without OCR, as OCR searchable .pdf files take twice the memory as non-searchable .pdf files.

I had pulled boxes of charts 10 years old (Ontario Statute of Limitation) ready to be destroyed, only to find out now that CPSO recommends storing them for 15 years. Ughhhh!

I am contemplating scanning and shredding. However, I will probably scan only reports and keep my original handwritten notes and batch file them for compact storage (without thick folders). In case of legal proceedings, original handwritten notes can better demonstrate that there has not been record tampering.

Stephen McLaren

Is it time to rethink the importance of the medical record?
The discussion below re-addresses the dialogue about archiving paper / quality of data entry into EMR and transferring to a new EMR.
Let's be evidence based in our thoughts.

What is the true value of "aged" data?
Having been chartless 7 years with thousands of paper records offsite, there exists 1.5 linear feet of paper charts that were pulled to meet a request for information. Can I tell you that any of that data made a difference to current care? I cannot. How often do medical records departments need to pull charts dormant for 5, 10 15 years? What percentage of their day to day chart pulls are archived volumes? What impact on current and future care is derived from having data 10,15, 20 years old that is not summarized in the current record?
The record exists to serve the patient, the provider(s), the legal community and historians. Is there an example in the legal community where data is not kept forever? It is not in my knowledge base that all police records are archived and kept indefinitley.

The value of EMR (over paper based charts) to patient care is readily apparent. The quality of the record far surpasses any paper based record I have seen. Not only is it infintely more legible but our experience has been one of the record being far more inclusive of the thoughts going into patient care than existed in the handwritten chart. Aggregation and compliation of data allows trends to indicate care progress and intervention/outcome analysis.
The searchable record allows groups to cross-cover and provide after hours care from a more knowledgable place.
We scan and OCR every incoming paper consultants note other than their hand written notes. All OCR "errors" actually got traced back to "errors" in the original documents. The searchable EMR is a far more functional tool than the non-searchable. Having made strides to embrace a better quality of care the EMR docs should not be saddled with advice or direction necessitating them to run dual systems. (paper, pdf or jpeg copy?)

On moving to a new EMR I would hope that basic demographic data gets converted to the new system. Beyond that I would propose a simple soultion for migration of the "meat" of the chart. The EMR should be able to provide one document in chronological or categorical order that shows every entry into the EMR in descending sequence. This document should be exported in total as an uneditable pdf which can then be appended within a new EMR as a searchable attachment.(Vol.II)(VolI=paper record)
Does this ability exist? Yes it does for us.

As I read about some of the challenges of EMR I am often found thinking that we should be as stringent in our setting of standards and criteria for all our colleagues in the paper world.
The paper record is, after all, a medical record and is deserved of the same privacy, legibility, comprehensiveness and accuracy standards.
Having been less than diligent in enforcing high standards for paper based medical records why are we so determined to save them?

Ray Simkus

This a new comment on an old message thread related to an ongoing problem. As more and more physicians start using EMRs there will be occasions when physicians change from one EMR vendor to another. I have heard that there are issues related to keeping the old system available because the new system may not be a complete and accurate copy of the old data. The current status of data exchange between systems is rudimentary and idiosyncratic. The official MSVA specs in BC covers only the very basic demographics, the Alberta specs are more detailed but there are errors in some of the specs. Data transfer based on these specs will not produce a true and complete copy of the original EMR record. In the UK they have the GP2GP project that allows for the exchange of the entire patient file between systems.

Considering the ongoing changes in hardware, operating systems and office staff what are the chances of being able to read data 7 or 25 years down the road. Think of what computer systems you had in 1983. These retention requirements are not based on usefulness but are imposed on us by the medicolegal system. What happens to my 4 year old computer running Windows 98 stops working 6 years from now. What are the chances that I could find parts or get a new one running with the old data. How faithful is the PDF copy to what was actually seen on the screen when decisions were made? I suspect that what is 'printed' out to a PDF is really not the 'original' either.

What we need are EMRs that have a sophisticated enough data structure that can accommodate all our needs and that this structure is designed well enough to remain unchanged for a very long time. It is the partial measures that are the problem.

Ray Simkus

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